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Post by austin on Dec 4, 2011 23:25:07 GMT -8
DUNKIN TO PAHRUMP AND BACK
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Post by Rushing on Dec 5, 2011 14:43:14 GMT -8
Dear, Rabbi
I have a few questions about handlebars and stems. When I was looking at the road bikes I had asked why people choose to have compact bars rather than ergo bars and they had mentioned that it's much easier to reach the breaks/ shifters if one where in the drops. That and also the drop on compact bars are much smaller and comfortable.
I like the feel of ergo bars, but I am unsure about them still. Although, I like the feel of them.
Anyway, they had also mentioned that the stem should cover your vision from the front hub or to where you can barely see it. I thought the stem had to allow you to have a comfortable reach on all hand positions on the bars. I would rather get something with 4 bolts rather than 2, as we have seen or heard about the face plate on Thompson stems cracking on the 2 bolt.
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Post by nlinealac on Dec 5, 2011 15:35:50 GMT -8
Its always hard to reach the "breaks"...... lulz.
Ride what ever bar you feel is most comfortable. Some pros ride ergo and they do just fine.
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Post by rabbi on Dec 6, 2011 8:06:35 GMT -8
The stem blocking vision of the front hub is a general sizing rule without getting into a full fitting. And as for bars, as nick said, ride what's comfortable to you. I don't find ergos comfortable because I like to move around in my drops and the kinks don't really allow that to be done with ease.
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Post by Rushing on Dec 6, 2011 12:12:51 GMT -8
What do you mean by "full fitting"?
Is it something along the lines of being measured all around?
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Post by rabbi on Dec 6, 2011 12:58:27 GMT -8
They measure everything and make your bike fit you specifically for your intentions. When you buy a new bike, they'll size you up and make sure you're comfortable on the bike and adjust the saddle/stem height to where it's needed and change out your stem length if you need (possibly for an extra charge, depending on what stems they have in stock). A fitting will usually run you $200 and up and take 2-4 hours.
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Post by brianburke on Dec 6, 2011 13:44:21 GMT -8
They even measure the circumference of your testicles to get an idea of how fast you'll be riding.
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Post by nlinealac on Dec 6, 2011 20:54:16 GMT -8
If someone trys to give you a 2 hour fitting tell them to fuck off. You don't need that. That is only for pros who need to get ever bit of power out of their position. you just need to be comfortable and have a proper seat height.
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Post by craig on Dec 6, 2011 21:32:53 GMT -8
Same thing if someone tries to sell you a power tap or similar device. Cat 4's and 5's don't need that shit.
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Post by brianburke on Dec 6, 2011 22:05:16 GMT -8
But if someone tries to sell you some sweet tires and clipless pedal setup, you should probably buy them right away.. Sooo... In the For Sale thread I'm selling some pretty cool stuff.. Umm..
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Post by nlinealac on Dec 7, 2011 1:43:34 GMT -8
Ya is someone is selling open corsas or look keo blades buy that shit. Otherwise carry on. Also I don't need power till ..... never. Perceived effort is where its at yo!
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Post by josr on Dec 7, 2011 2:57:03 GMT -8
jose, if you are going to get a bike, get a road bike and fucking ride with us. nobody lives on the eastside to ride with me haha i thought about getting a road bike many times, but i just dont know if ill be able to afford a decent one and if i did i would want to race the fuck out of it, and would love to ride with your guys team and get into road racing but i also would want to do some cross i find it very exciting and brutal. |
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Post by rabbi on Dec 7, 2011 5:31:11 GMT -8
Yeah... power meters are useless... and so are bike fittings...
Sorry, but you guys are idiots.
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Post by craig on Dec 7, 2011 6:42:02 GMT -8
Yeah... power meters for cat4's are useless... and so are bike fittings... ftfy |
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Post by rabbi on Dec 7, 2011 8:09:32 GMT -8
That's just like, your opinion, man.
To each his own, but GTFO of my thread with negative advice.
FWIW, a bike fitting is about more than just power and for others besides bike racers.
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Post by sleptersly on Dec 7, 2011 9:19:08 GMT -8
Hey Nathan,
What gear ratio should I be using? Because apparently the ratio I'm using is unacceptably dumb and everyone thinks people who ride one similar is stupid; I might be pretty god damn stupid.
Anyway; just for the road, I doubt I'll ever ride the track at this rate.
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Post by craig on Dec 7, 2011 9:37:10 GMT -8
FWIW, I don't think telling people they don't need a $500+ dollar rear hub is negative advice. However this is your thread, and I will GTFO.
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Post by rabbi on Dec 7, 2011 10:01:51 GMT -8
Craig,
I never said anyone needed a fit or a powermeter. However, I feel like powermeters and fittings are tools to help you become a better bicycle racer. Perceived effort can only get you so far when it comes to riding. So many factors can affect how you feel on a ride. Powermeters give you the most accurate quantifiable number and is not affected by weather, HR, stress, etc. Either you hit the number or don't. Especially when you're a time-crunched cyclist (I'm one of them these days), it cuts a lot of bullshit out of your riding and you're concentrating on what you need to be doing to get stronger. Bike fittings just make you more efficient and helps rectify whatever problems you have while on the bike.
Mark,
46/17 and learn to spin. End of story.
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Post by sleptersly on Dec 7, 2011 10:28:54 GMT -8
Nathan,
I don't want the story to ever end. I want it to be the never-ending story. I'll be the Indian kid, you can be the white kid. Also your bike will be the dog-dragon-snake hybrid that they decided to... seriously what the fuck was up with that thing?
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Post by nlinealac on Dec 7, 2011 10:49:58 GMT -8
Dude, danny is a fuckin 1 on percived effort. If it will get me that what more do I need. I'm not giving negative advice I'm giving practical advice.
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Post by theghabebandit on Dec 7, 2011 11:01:52 GMT -8
Mark, 46/17 and learn to spin. hell yeah. ~71.5 gear inches. 2.7 ratio. 17 tooth cog means 17 patches which basically means the whole tire. just made the switch from 42-16. not much of a jump, but this ratio is perfect. |
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Post by sids on Dec 7, 2011 13:08:56 GMT -8
17 tooth cog means 17 patches which basically means the whole tire. unless you have a 34 or 51t chainring |
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Post by josr on Dec 7, 2011 13:15:14 GMT -8
Mark,
46/17 and learn to spin. End of story.
i still dont get it?
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Post by theghabebandit on Dec 7, 2011 13:24:04 GMT -8
unless you have a 34 or 51t chainring cool? we're talking about 46-17 gear ratio benefits. not about how 11, 17, or 19 tooth cogs offer consistent patch patterns. but yeah, you're right though. 17 cogs will always give 17 skid patches unless you use a chainring that 17 is a multiple of. 34, 51, 68, whatever. edit: several grammar and punctuation mistakes. |
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Post by rabbi on Dec 7, 2011 13:28:02 GMT -8
Mark, 46/17 and learn to spin. End of story. i still dont get it? wat |
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Post by sids on Dec 7, 2011 13:57:27 GMT -8
unless you have a 34 or 51t chainring cool? we're talking about 46-17 gear ratio benefits. not about how 11, 17, or 19 tooth cogs offer consistent patch patterns. but yeah, you're right though. 17 cogs will always give 17 skid patches unless you use a chainring that 17 is a multiple of. 34, 51, 68, whatever. edit: several grammar and punctuation mistakes.I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to say, but yes I was only attempting to point out that if someone read your comment they should not take it to mean that a 17t cog would always give you 17 skid patches. I just didn't want anyone to misread your statement as an absolute. tl;dr don't rage me bro |
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Post by rabbi on Dec 7, 2011 14:19:06 GMT -8
Chris, you're the one that took it out of context. It was preceded with quoting the ratio and then adding the gear inches.
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Post by sids on Dec 7, 2011 14:32:24 GMT -8
I did not take it out of context, I understood what Ghabe was trying to say (the first comment, the second comment I was a little unclear as to exactly what he was saying), but thought that it could be taken out of context which is why I qualified it. If someone read "17 tooth cog means 17 patches which basically means the whole tire." and did not realize it was not meant as an absolute, independent, statement, their understanding would be incorrect. I feel that my last comment made it clear that I only posted so that no-one would misread it.
I should clarify that the "your" in my original comment was a poor choice of words as it was ambiguous. I understood that Ghabe was speaking specifically about a 46t chainring which would make his comment about 17 skid patches correct, however, I did not intend for the "your" to be used to directly address Ghabe, but instead intended it to be used the general sense.
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Post by theghabebandit on Dec 7, 2011 17:18:26 GMT -8
If someone read "17 tooth cog means 17 patches which basically means the whole tire." and did not realize it was not meant as an absolute, independent, statement, their understanding would be incorrect. come on, chris. we're not dealing with noobs here. everyone on lvfixed knows the 11/17/19 rear cog trick. i understood what you were saying though, which is why i proceeded to give the full statement regarding the cogs. : but yeah, you're right though. 17 cogs will always give 17 skid patches unless you use a chainring that 17 is a multiple of. 34, 51, 68, whatever. and quit trying to pick fights, dude. we're just trying to give mark some input on his gear ratio. |
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Post by Rushing on Dec 7, 2011 17:44:53 GMT -8
Actually, I'm still pretty new to most of these things.
So what exactly is, "11/17/19"?
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